Comments on: The Gospel for the Church http://mostlyallthere.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/the-gospel-for-the-church/ Relaxing my tenuous grip on sanity Thu, 25 Sep 2008 06:48:05 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Matt Porter http://mostlyallthere.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/the-gospel-for-the-church/#comment-72 Matt Porter Tue, 18 Mar 2008 00:56:01 +0000 http://mostlyallthere.wordpress.com/?p=51#comment-72 By redemption, I mean God's entire plan to recover creation from the fall. I mean everything that starts with justification and culminates in glorification. Redemption is used to refer to more than simply justification; see Rom. 3:24, which states that our justification is through the redemption in Christ, and Rom 8:23, which mentions the redemption of our bodies. The whole thing starts with that reconciliation to God, but continues until God has completely redeemed his creation and the curse is reversed. By redemption, I mean God’s entire plan to recover creation from the fall. I mean everything that starts with justification and culminates in glorification. Redemption is used to refer to more than simply justification; see Rom. 3:24, which states that our justification is through the redemption in Christ, and Rom 8:23, which mentions the redemption of our bodies. The whole thing starts with that reconciliation to God, but continues until God has completely redeemed his creation and the curse is reversed.

]]> By: Victor Gutierrez http://mostlyallthere.wordpress.com/2008/03/17/the-gospel-for-the-church/#comment-71 Victor Gutierrez Tue, 18 Mar 2008 00:22:28 +0000 http://mostlyallthere.wordpress.com/?p=51#comment-71 "Viewing our redemption as an ongoing process gives us..." I may be misunderstanding what you are saying, but if you are saying that our redemption (which by itself carries a definition of justification) is an ongoing process you are getting into murky waters and I would have to disagree with you. If you replace "redemption" with "sanctification" I would agree with everything you say. I want to know what you mean with redemption. I have a couple of ideas about it; but since I may be misunderstanding you, I will wait to hear for your response. “Viewing our redemption as an ongoing process gives us…”

I may be misunderstanding what you are saying, but if you are saying that our redemption (which by itself carries a definition of justification) is an ongoing process you are getting into murky waters and I would have to disagree with you. If you replace “redemption” with “sanctification” I would agree with everything you say.

I want to know what you mean with redemption. I have a couple of ideas about it; but since I may be misunderstanding you, I will wait to hear for your response.

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